Step off the streets and into the squad car with Vic Ferrari, a retired NYPD detective with a library of tales that would keep even the most seasoned crime novelists on their toes. In a candid chat, Vic offers us an insider look at his two decades with the NYPD, revealing the highs and lows of life in blue. From his start, influenced by the gritty crime dramas of his youth, through the challenging days in Narcotics and Auto Crime, his career reads like the pages of the very books he now writes. Strap in for a journey through New York's underbelly, complete with the humor and camaraderie that only those who've walked the beat can truly understand.
Prepare for a story that blurs the lines between fact and fiction, as Vic remembers a '90s murder case that started with a magician—and not the kind with a rabbit and a hat. The twists and turns of this real-life drama highlight the unexpected nature of police work, where routine calls can spiral into complex investigations. Vic's reflections extend beyond the badge, touching on personal choices and their ripple effects through time. His narrative brings the unique psyche of a detective's life to the forefront, marrying dark humor with the stark reality of the streets of New York.
As our conversation with Vic winds down, we're left grappling with the emotional toll of a life in law enforcement. Vic's experience arresting childhood acquaintances serves as a poignant reminder of the different paths lives can take. Yet, it's not all somber; Vic's literary approach of jumping around in his books keeps the memories fresh and us, the readers, eager for more. So, as the year comes to a close, settle in for a dose of street wisdom and engaging banter that only Vic Ferrari can deliver—a true nod to those who dedicate their lives to serving and protecting.
Step off the streets and into the squad car with Vic Ferrari, a retired NYPD detective with a library of tales that would keep even the most seasoned crime novelists on their toes. In a candid chat, Vic offers us an insider look at his two decades with the NYPD, revealing the highs and lows of life in blue. From his start, influenced by the gritty crime dramas of his youth, through the challenging days in Narcotics and Auto Crime, his career reads like the pages of the very books he now writes. Strap in for a journey through New York's underbelly, complete with the humor and camaraderie that only those who've walked the beat can truly understand.
Prepare for a story that blurs the lines between fact and fiction, as Vic remembers a '90s murder case that started with a magician—and not the kind with a rabbit and a hat. The twists and turns of this real-life drama highlight the unexpected nature of police work, where routine calls can spiral into complex investigations. Vic's reflections extend beyond the badge, touching on personal choices and their ripple effects through time. His narrative brings the unique psyche of a detective's life to the forefront, marrying dark humor with the stark reality of the streets of New York.
As our conversation with Vic winds down, we're left grappling with the emotional toll of a life in law enforcement. Vic's experience arresting childhood acquaintances serves as a poignant reminder of the different paths lives can take. Yet, it's not all somber; Vic's literary approach of jumping around in his books keeps the memories fresh and us, the readers, eager for more. So, as the year comes to a close, settle in for a dose of street wisdom and engaging banter that only Vic Ferrari can deliver—a true nod to those who dedicate their lives to serving and protecting.
Welcome to the SJ Childs Show, where a little bit of knowledge can turn fear into understanding. Enjoy the show. Hi, thanks for joining the SJ Childs Show today. I am really excited to get into this conversation with a retired NYPD detective. We're going to have a really interesting conversation today. I hope I said all of that correctly. Vic, is it pronounced Ferrari?
Speaker 1:Yeah, just like the car.
Speaker 2:Fantastic, wonderful. Well, it's so nice to have you here. Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 1:Thank you. I appreciate you having me on your show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to be interesting to hear about your stories that you have to share and talk about your books that you have written and maybe find out what pushed you into becoming an author.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2:Tell us from the you know from start. Tell us an introduction, give us a little bit of sense of who you are.
Speaker 1:Sure, my name is Vic Ferrari. I'm a retired 20 year member of the New York City Police Department. Born and raised in the Bronx, new York City kid, I knew what I wanted to do at a very early age. My mother used to take me to the movie theater that was around the corner from the police station, so on Saturdays I would hang around the police station and watch the cops and look inside the police cars.
Speaker 2:Oh cool.
Speaker 1:By age 10, I was going to the post office with my friends and we were stealing. Fbi wanted posters off the walls and going around the neighborhood having man hunts, and I grew up watching the Rockford files and the French connection and all these police shows. So I knew what I wanted to do with an early age and by 20 I was in the New York City Police Academy and I had a 20 year career in law enforcement. I worked at a lot of different units, including DUI, playing close. At 15 added my 20 years, I worked in the narcotics division. My last 10 years I was a detective in the NYPD Zodacron division. So anything to do with stolen vehicles and changing bin numbers on stolen cars, exporting stolen cars out of the country, chop shops, you name it. I worked on an after 20 year career with the NYPD. I got bored, I got into writing. I've written a series of books for of, which are about a humorous behind the scenes. Look at the New York City Police Department.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that sounds so interesting to. I bet there's lots of stories. And how? How did they feel about the the books were? Does everybody seem like they were on board, or some people, you know, not okay.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't take a poll. It's one of those things it's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. What I did was the two things I, when I got into writing these books. I didn't want to get anybody divorced or fired or embarrassed, so I changed the names, dates, ranks, locations, borrows. In some cases I moved characters around, but the stories will happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's exciting. It sounds like you really. I'm excited to hear about some of these stories. If you don't mind sharing a few, I mean not at all. What do you think the height of your career was?
Speaker 1:Oh, my last 10 years. I mean I really didn't have too many low. I mean this peaks and valleys with anything. But I mean I knew what I wanted to do, I knew what I was getting myself into, when I loved every. For the most part I loved every minute of it. There were times I wasn't so happy. Like people don't realize, most cops at some point their careers are going to work time square on New Year's Eve Right, and I did that 17 at a 20 years. I never volunteered for it but it was the luck of the draw.
Speaker 1:And that's a miserable day to be a member of the New York City Police Department. You're down there and all types of weather, it's always cold, whether it's raining, snowing, and you're standing out there and they want you. It's not like you could hide anywhere in a building or go inside to take a break. You're on your feet from probably to three in the afternoon until three, four in the morning, until they break everything up. You're dealing with drunks all night long.
Speaker 1:When you're watching television and you see everybody like in those neatly packed groups. It's not there. They're like cattle herded into these wooden pens and there's no place to go to the bathroom. All those restaurants. They're not going to let you use the bathroom unless you have a dinner reservation. So there's people using the bathroom inside the crowd, people throwing up on each other, people feeling each other up, people getting robbed in some cases.
Speaker 1:And the fun begins after the ball drops, because then it's pandemonium. We start breaking down those wooden barriers so people can leave, and then you get all the hood rats from the different boroughs that come down there and they're sober as a judge. It's like watching the Discovery Channel or the animal planet with the hyenas and they come down and they're watching who's got a new cell phone, who flashed some cash, and they follow them. Or 40 second street to the train or wherever, and they rob them. So it's a busy night, it's, it's. I hated every minute of doing that, but it was one day a year, you know, but for the most part my career was a wonderful experience.
Speaker 2:That's fantastic. I love that you said you knew what you wanted to do and that you know you really went after those, those desires that you had when you were a kid. How did your parents and I don't know what situation you grew up in, but how did your, the adults in your life help you to push you to do those things that you wanted to do? What kind of support did you get?
Speaker 1:They wanted me to go to college. I didn't want to go to college. Both my parents were working class people. They were just happy I had a job. They were nervous because I graduated high school at 18. I wasn't going to college and it would be at least two years before I could become a member of the New York City Police Department. So they were quite concerned like what is he going to do now? So my father told me you have to work. So I said, yeah, that's fine. If you want to live here, you have to work. And oh God, I must have had 10 or 15 jobs in those two or three years because I would get bored and I would do something else. I was an exterminator. I cleaned planes at LaGuardia Airport. I unloaded trucks for UPF. My parents wanted to kill me but they were extremely happy when I got a civil service job at the New York City Police Department.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, I'm sure they were. I'm sure they were really proud of you and especially the 20 years that you put in, and that's really great and what an accomplishment that that must have been for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were happy. I mean, they went to my graduation. They went to my promotion ceremony. When I got promoted to tech, they were very supportive. My dad was more nervous than my mother, for whatever reason. He would always be careful, be careful, and even just a couple of years before I retired he'd like don't do anything crazy, you only got a year or two to go. And I'm like, dad, I got it. It's 17, 18 years. I know how this works.
Speaker 2:That's the heart. Yeah, that's really great. I know I love to hear when parents are into what their teenager, child, adult is doing and really giving that support behind that, because it's so important. I bless my parents' hearts. They were so involved in their own careers they didn't really look at see what I was going to be doing with mine, so on my own and I just forged my own way. And that's great too, because then I can look back and say I accomplished all these things on my own, without the push of anyone else. So tell us about when you started getting into writing. Did you always like to write? How did that begin?
Speaker 1:I knew I had a talent for it Because when I was working in organized crime we have to write lengthy reports on surveillance or arrest. It's not just like when you're on patrol and it's who, what, where, when, why. You've got to be a little bit more detailed. When you're a detective and I remember my lieutenant laughing like reading some of my reports I guess my sarcasm bleeds into my writing and he would return and go. This is really funny. He says and I appreciate it. He says but if someone reads this downtown he goes, take out some of these adjectives and kind of dumb it down a little bit. I'm like OK, no problem, I didn't get into law enforcement to become a writer.
Speaker 1:It was after I retired. I was bored out of my mind. I had moved down to Florida. I really didn't know what I wanted to do and friends and family said you know, you got all these wild stories, you should start writing them down. And luckily for me, I have a really good memory and I have a lot of friends who I still keep in touch with that are retired at the time current and YPD members. So from time to time they would bounce ideas off of me or I would call them up and go remember that time, like who was involved in that? How did that exactly shake out? So, and now? What's funny is, after I started writing these books now every time one of my books comes out, my phone blows up from my friends, like you should have wrote about this guy and you should have put this one in here. And so it's funny how now they're my biggest critics.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is great too. What's tell us the titles of the books and where we? Can I tell me where they are? They're on a line on Amazon, or how can we get them to?
Speaker 1:Yeah, all my books are available on Amazon, if you just go to the Amazon book section and type in Vic Ferrari like the car my Amazon book library come up. So we've got my latest NYPD book, nypd Law and Disorder. That's about the embarrassing things that happened in the NYPD. Nypd through the looking glass stories from inside America's largest police department. That's a humorous behind the scenes. Look at the NYPD. The NYPD is flying circus cops, crime and chaos. That's about a lot of interesting criminals and bizarre co-workers.
Speaker 1:I worked with Grand Theft Auto, the NYPD's auto crime division. That's about my 10 years in the auto crime division. So it's everything you wanted to know about the stolen car industry who steals your car, what happens at a chop shop, how to prevent your car from getting stolen, sophisticated auto theft rings that my office and I worked on different cases. My last book is called Confessions of a Catholic High School Graduate. I kind of moved away from writing about the NYPD for a year and it's about me growing up in the Bronx in my path going through Catholic High School and then later becoming a member of the New York City Police Department.
Speaker 2:Wow, those look really interesting. I actually would be. I'm not really big into reading all the time, but that would definitely engage my mind and make me feel curious as to what would be behind those pages. So I'm going to have to yeah, absolutely, when you were writing them and you would get these ideas of stories. What's your favorite story? I mean, I know there's probably so many what's one that might stick out in your mind the most?
Speaker 1:Oh, I have so many. But I like to tell the Hansel and Gretel story because that happened to my old partner but it's actually pretty funny. It's morbid, it's dark humor, but it's funny. It's the early 90s, we're all single, we're going to cop bars, we're meeting girls and my old partner was working with a guy that was an amateur magician on the side. So we'd be at the bar talking to girls and he would come over and stop pulling flowers out of his sleeve and coins behind the ear and I'm like, could you get him out of here? Like how do you compete with this guy? And he says yeah, I wish he goes. He's a lazy cop, though he goes. I wish he took, you know, tying up balloon animals in the police car as much as he did his NYPD career.
Speaker 1:So one night on a midnight him and his partner get called out to a basement apartment for calls for help. They go into the basement of the six-story walk-up and there's two apartments. So they bang on door number one. Nobody answers. My old partner, who's working with the magician, goes to bang on door number two and the magician says what?
Speaker 2:are you?
Speaker 1:doing. We made so much noise down here or radios or blasts or nightsticks and everything. This is nonsense. Let's get out of here. My old partner goes to bang on that door again. He goes come on, I'll buy a cup of coffee. Let's get out of here. Cause he was lazy and he just didn't want to get involved. They wind up leaving.
Speaker 1:What they didn't realize is behind door number two. The super of the building lived there and he was selling coke out of his apartment and the super had fallen behind in his payments to his wholesaler and the drug world. You don't make your payments, they're gonna clip you. So what winds up happening is they send a couple of hit men to kill them and it's an old gypsy trick. They knock on the door and they put an attractive female in front of the door. The super opens up the door. The three of them bum, rush them. They start pistol whipping them. Where's the money? Where's the drugs? He doesn't have any answers. They shoot the super in the head. They roll them up in a carpet, they take them out of the apartment and they throw them in the furnace of the building. They go back into the apartment and while they're ransacking the apartment, my old partner and the magician are just about to bang on that door. So they look out the window and they go oh shit, we got a problem. So the three of them come up with a plan. The two guys tell the female listen, if they start knocking on the door, let them in, lead them towards the kitchen and just start yelling in Yugoslavian because they're Albanian. So she goes, just start yelling in Yugoslavian and just keep pointing to the kitchen. When you get past one of these bedroom apartments, throw yourself on the floor. We're gonna come from behind, we'll kill the two cops, we'll throw them in the furnace, we'll go for the trifecta and get away with it. So they don't knock on the door and they leave.
Speaker 1:Well, about a week or two later, the super, the building, he had family and what happened to him. So they see that there was a 911 call there around the time he vanished off the face of the earth. So they bring in my old partner and the magician and they say you know, you guys got called out of that basement. What's the story? Did you meet anybody? What was going on? And they said no, we knocked on the door. We did knock on the door, but the funny thing is when we were leaving there was a car parked outside on a fire hydrant and my old partner wrote that car parking ticket. That was the getaway car. It was registered to the female.
Speaker 1:The detectives tracked down the female. She starts spilling her guts, of course, trying to minus her involvement and put in for a penny and for a pound. They were able to bring in the two hit men. The three of them got locked up for murder and it was February so they had to go back to the building and the dead of winter shut the power and heat off to the building so that furnace could cool down over the course of several so they could get this guy's skull and bones out of out of the furnace to build a case. And that story was called. Last night a magician saved my life. So my books have a lot of dark humor in it and a lot of things that goes on in the New York City police department that most people would never think about.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, no, and you wouldn't. You wouldn't think about that. Definitely. If you don't live some situations, there's no way you could even imagine what they might be like for someone else. Isn't that the truth? So you've had a good response for the books. Now, when you wrote this last one about your kind of your, you know, in growing up and going through those, you know what kind of stuff does it bring up for you when you go back to your past and bring those up, is it? Sometimes you find that you're like, oh my gosh, I better dig through that part of my past. And it happens for me when I'm doing my own writing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm confessional to the Catholic High School graduate. It's a walk down for me it's a walk down memory lane. It takes place in the late 70s, early 80s. I'm in middle school and I was going to public school and my dad was sitting around the dinner table and my father said next year you're going to Catholic High School. He says we don't even go to mass. He goes yeah, but you're a clown and if I send you to public school, public high school, you're going to become a bigger clown. So pick a Catholic High School.
Speaker 1:And I didn't want to do it and it was probably one of the best things that ever happened to me, because I definitely needed the discipline and structure, because I was a pretty wild kid. And it's just about that time period of growing up in the Bronx. You know I wasn't taking a school bus, didn't pick us up on the corner, I had to take public transportation. And you know I grew up in a neighborhood in the 70s and 80s it was Italian and Irish, with a little bit of the maffias sprinkled in. So there were things going on beneath the surface that I saw, that I didn't quite understand, but as I got older everything came to full circle. So it's just about growing up in the Bronx and then my path from being a wild kid to go into the New York City Police Department.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Did you ever have times where you had to arrest people that you knew like from your childhood?
Speaker 1:I didn't know I never personally had to arrest someone from my childhood but I had. During the course of my career I saw people from my childhood that had been arrested. Or I remember one time I was lodging a prisoner in Bronx, central Booking, and I had my back turned and they had these big cages. I mean it looks like something out of them. It looks like if you ever watch on television like an Italian court where they've got like 50 people screaming in the cages. You've got these huge jail cells and they move people from one to another before they go upstairs to court. And I had my back turned and I was filling out a roster because I was lodging a prisoner and they were moving prisoners and I was hearing the names.
Speaker 1:You know, when I call your name, go into cell B Jones O'Sullivan and he called out a name it's not a common name, it's an Italian name and I said my body stiffened, I go. No, that can't be. I played football with that guy and I turned and he comes walking out and he looked at me and he just swaps me and he went into the next cell and the sad thing is he was dead a couple of months later. But yeah, I never personally had a lock up anybody that I grew up with. But yeah, I would run into people sometimes.
Speaker 2:That from my past. It's sad, yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's never good. It's never good to see your people that you know going down the wrong paths. I have that in my history of life too. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:I write in that book I go, you're going up and they're going down, so I mean you better get off that elevator. You're going to wind up in the basement too. There's a story from one of my NYPD books. I was a cop, maybe five, six years. I was working in narcotics and I was in my own neighborhood and I was going to the bank and a kid I grew up with who lived like two doors down from me and he's in a lot of my books because he was a wild kid and he recognized me and I knew he had done jail time Like I knew he was upstate for something and I could tell just by his look he was using drugs.
Speaker 1:And like we got to go out for a beer and I said I hate to cut this short I says, and it was good seeing you, I go, but I can't hang out with you anymore. And he goes, what are you talking about? And blah, blah, blah, just because you're a cop, and I go. But what do we have in common? You know, like you know, it's like I'm not going to quit my job and you know you're not going to quit being a criminal.
Speaker 1:So like really what do we have in common at this stage? It was good seeing you and I hope you. You know you clean yourself up and he didn't. I mean, actually, my brother called me a couple of years ago. He's reading his obituary, so yeah, I mean there were a lot of people I grew up with that went the wrong way. They got into drugs or organized crime and it didn't end well for a lot of them.
Speaker 2:No, and there was probably a lot more opportunities for that there in the Bronx down, you know. And then there are around the United States. Not that there aren't available everywhere, but I can imagine that you either make the choice to take the right path or the wrong path. And yeah, there you find it.
Speaker 1:It was a different time, right. So it was a different time and just the neighborhood. Like people didn't really call the police in my neighborhood for too many things. It kind of got settled in street court, so like if you were screwing around with the wrong guy's sister or you owed somebody money, like I write in my book, someone was going to pay you a visit with an Abraham Lincoln mask and a baseball bat. So yeah, I mean there were rules. If you got too close to the sun. You were going to get burnt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Isn't that the truth? I think that's something a lot of people that wouldn't have been in your position wouldn't even think about, like you said, or consider that that happens on a daily basis. What do you think about? I'm going to take you to a serious place here what do you think about what type of training police around the country are getting now for neurodiversity and what looks different from maybe what it was like 20 years ago?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, in law enforcement training never ends. It's not like you know. You go through the police academy and that's it. You know what I mean. So I mean during my time period I got hired in the eighties. It was six months in the academy. Then it was another six months of training where you didn't go to a precinct.
Speaker 1:Back in my time you went to a field training unit where you had several sergeants and you would put on foot posts and you learn little in increments and then sometimes you would be with the sergeant in the car answering calls and then after that, six months so now that's already a year of training, right. Then you go to a precinct and since you're the new guy, they're gonna kind of look out for you. To a degree They'll try to put you with somebody whose head is screwed on straight, although that doesn't always happen. And then this constantly going to training. I mean you qualified with your gun twice a year. There was physical training. I mean it just was nonstop.
Speaker 1:And then, like when I retired from the NYPD, I moved down to Florida, I got my certification, I became a cop down in Florida for a short period of time and it was the same thing. It was just more and more and more training. I think there's a misconception that cops don't get enough training. Cops get so much training. It's like you're responsible for these things. Cops are responsible for everything, unfortunately. I remember when I came down to Florida like one of the questions on the test was and we didn't do this in New York like the placards on trucks and the different chemical, the classes of hazardous material, non-hazardous, and I'm like I mean, how much more are we gonna be responsible for? It's you know.
Speaker 1:I definitely think there's a misconception that cops aren't trained, and it's not true. Cops are put through a lot of training.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you said that. No, I think you're right about that. I think there is a misconception about that and I think that society wants to hold a lot of blame, but they don't want to put these ideas that you have received. You know all of that. I'm really glad that you brought that up because I think that the communities that don't have the understanding or education need to hear it, just like I like to bring education about things in my community that they don't know about as well, you know, regarding the autism and things in our family. But one thing I do I did a police training here in my city not too long ago, back in October. It was so fantastic. The officers were so excited to learn. They were so interested and engaged in the process. It gave me a better sense of what they want available to them and how important it is that they understand the community that they're working with and serving as well.
Speaker 1:Well, it's funny, like you said, like some communities don't understand Some communities, the communities that don't understand the police are often the ones that call the police every 15 minutes to solve their problems. Amen amen.
Speaker 2:That is the truth. That is such the truth right there. And you know, as far as when I went into the training to the police, my part of it was I want to help parents in my community understand they need to have all of the correct information, they need to have calm voices and they need to be bringing their best selves if they want to get what they're expecting out of whatever kind of emergency responder visit they're getting. They can't go into it with expectations that are unrealistic. No information, no, you know all of these things. So I'm exactly on your guys' side saying, hey, parents, you can't just be calling for everything and expecting any of these officers to even understand how to deal with a child they don't have any experience with. And if you don't give them all the information, like that's, you're doing the disservice, not that. So don't turn around and blame them afterwards.
Speaker 1:No, and definitely. And people will call the police but they don't realize and what. This happens quite a bit. So the cops show up. They don't, you know, they don't have the time to sit there and mediate everything. There's just not this call stacking up.
Speaker 1:There's bigger and better things that are coming around, and I mean dangerous things coming around the corner, and it happens a lot of times two people having a dispute. A lot of times it's the person that calls the police and they think they're in the right and the cop doesn't side their way and it leaves a bad taste in their mouth but it's. You know, you're often better and I'm not talking about taking matters into your own hands and hurting somebody or damaging someone's property or doing something ridiculous. But you know a lot of times that people would take a step back and do I really want the police involved in this? You know what I mean Like my parents would be mortified when I was a kid to call the police over something you know the neighbors like did you see the Ferraris had a police car parked outside?
Speaker 2:You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean it was a stigma back then associated with it. You know, like you couldn't handle your own stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely no, I agree. I remember the few times that we had gotten, we had moved into our new home and I have a son with challenging autism and a lot of support needs and we had just gotten a fancy camera and alarm system and right at the front door is that emergency call button. He hit that fire fighter button two or three times and they came out and bless their hearts. They were so understanding and so kind to accommodate. You know our non-emergency call, but it really really gave me like, okay, I thank goodness that they are so amazing. At the same time.
Speaker 2:Parents probably don't know how, like, how scary it is that their fire department showing up at your house, like you said, all the neighbors going, oh, what's happened over at the Bradford? No, just emergency calls gone wrong. So they did. However, I think after the third or fourth 911 call because my, my, our phones would be locked. But they would have that if, if you know, call 911 like emergency button, you could slide instead, he would do that and so I would a couple times had to deal with just a phone. So luckily the police never made it over. I look, you know, when they called back, I discussed it with them and they put us on some type of a list to let them know that it might not be the correct An emergency call. So it only happened for a short phase in his life and it never happened again after that so hopefully we learned less.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank goodness, huh. No, it's been a fascinating discussion with you today. I really appreciate it. I appreciate you coming back and giving me your time again and I'm going to go on to Amazon and check out a couple of these books really kind of interested my mind. So. I really grew up reading detective books and stuff. I loved that kind of stuff, so I think that that's either like it or you don't, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, and I mean my, my, I don't hold back. So I mean, like some of the criminal cases in my books, I mean I try to show the irony and what's going on and behind the scenes look of investigating a case. I mean there's funny stories, there's dark stories. I like to jump around in my books. My books don't have a beginning, middle end. You'll pick up my book, you'll open it up. There's a chapter, be it police, corruption or supervisors that I worked with, and boom, there'll be three or four short stories in all.
Speaker 2:It's they sound great, they really do. They sound like great books and I look forward to to checking them out and I hope we can stay in touch and I can just pick your brain if I have any more exciting. You know children problems coming up Hopefully won't have those. Won't have to be calling you. What do I tell the detective? Just joking. Thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate it and it was great to get to know you.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2:You as well, thank you.