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THE SJ CHILDS SHOW-Advocating for Autistics, One Story at a Time
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THE SJ CHILDS SHOW-Advocating for Autistics, One Story at a Time
Episode 301- Celebrating Self-Love and Neurodivergent Identity with Anneke Elmhirst
Anneke Elmhirst, a coach with a unique focus on neurodivergence, shares her transformative journey from behavior analysis to coaching. We explore the complexities of ADHD and autism, challenging the conventional one-size-fits-all approach and advocating for a personalized understanding of mental health. Anneke 's shift was driven by a need for values alignment, and she provides insight into how late diagnoses can manifest differently across individuals. Together, we question the efficacy of standard medical testing for atypical brains and highlight how identifying with neurodivergent labels can foster community building and support.
Imagine transitioning from a traditional career path to the dynamic world of relationship coaching. We dive into the motivations and personal experiences behind such dramatic shifts, using a metaphor to compare therapists to contractors who fix problems, while coaches are like interior designers who enhance and personalize spaces. We emphasize the importance of standards and ethics in coaching, particularly for neurodiverse individuals, while discussing how therapy and coaching can complement each other. Self-reflection is another key topic, as understanding one's desires is crucial for effective communication and relationship success.
The journey of self-love and personal growth takes center stage, highlighting the importance of fostering confidence from an early age. Through heartfelt anecdotes, we discuss the impact of community support and the power of love in shaping young lives. Anneke 's inspiring work in creating spaces where people feel valued is celebrated, emphasizing empathy and understanding as tools for empowerment. With aspirations for writing and self-education, we reflect on the potential for personal growth and the thrill of embracing the unknown, all while expressing gratitude for the positive impact of our guest's contributions to the community.
The SJ Child Show is Backford's 13th season. Join Sarah Bradford and the SJ Child Show team as they explore the world of autism and share stories of hope and inspiration. This season we're excited to bring you more autism summits featuring experts and advocates from around the world. Go to sjchildsorg to donate and to get more information. Congratulations on 2024's 20,000 downloads and 300 episodes.
Speaker 2:Hi and thanks for joining the SJ Child Show today. I'm really excited to be with Annika Elmhurst. Did I get that one right? It's so nice to have you here. I was reading over your profile and everything and I just know that we're going to have a really great conversation. So much along the same lines of what we are passionate about and the services that you are providing the community, I think, are really important. So before we get into all of that great stuff, give us an introduction. Let us know a little bit about yourself and what brought you here today.
Speaker 3:Sure, I'm Annika. I am a coach. I specialize in neurodivergence, whatever that means to you it's. It's a. It's a broad umbrella, and I started my career as a behavior analyst and I determined that that was no longer values aligned for me. When I was learning about behavior analysis, it was here's a set of tools to help you understand your clients and the people that you work with, and when I got out into the broader world, it was not being applied that way.
Speaker 3:It was I and I. I tried for a while, I thought maybe I can fix the system, and then I finally had to throw up my hands and say this is not, this is no longer for me, this is not my calling.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And you yourself, are you also autistic?
Speaker 3:I am diagnosed ADHD. Okay, I don't have a diagnosis of autism, mostly because, as a child, I hit all of the milestones on time. I was a very early reader and since I didn't cause any problems, nobody nobody thought that anything could be wrong. I was not disruptive, therefore I had to be fine.
Speaker 2:Now, we know so differently, don't we?
Speaker 3:A little bit, so might be autistic.
Speaker 2:I don't have the letters behind my name to prove it, as it were, but you know and I, this is just totally and somebody might completely disagree with this opinion of mine, but this is my personal opinion.
Speaker 2:I really think that in your heart, of hearts, I think that anyone who suspects or even has an inkling I don't think typical people have inklings that they are autistic or ADHD or any kind of neurodiversity Like, I really think that in my heart, and I only because same for him, same with me, you know, very like gifted child, read early, did everything, never had any type of a diagnosis bipolar when I was a teenager, of course, because you can't understand a teenage girl anyways.
Speaker 2:And then now in my adulthood, my son was diagnosed in 2010,. Then my husband, then my daughter, and then I was like, wait a second, this girl is just like me, like she is the same everything early on. So I went to um, a wellness center here in Salt Lake, and got a brain scan done and that's how I found out that I was autistic as well and on the spectrum it had ADHD. I had no idea Like, and now I'm like, adhd runs my life, like I, I identify with every single bit of it, every single second of the day. And how did I not know that for 45?
Speaker 3:years. I was only diagnosed as an adult as well, and I thought I never thought it was possible for me because my mother is textbook hyperactive ADHD. Like just just just seriously. You run down the list of symptoms and you're like yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. She cannot stop moving. And I wasn't like that. I was sitting with my nose in a book the whole time. So I always thought like that we can't possibly have the same label in that regard. Turns out it's not. It's not one size fits all. Yeah, but yeah, no, really getting on getting on Ritalin and then Concerta absolutely changed my life.
Speaker 2:I found something on Amazon called ADHD 365. And it's like it's a supplement. I am trying to think of what it has methylene blue or something like. That's like a really good energy provider and I same thing it's. It's amazing Like I've never in my never been well with medications throughout, and you know what I think is interesting now that I'm going to bring this up. This is totally random, I think, in. I think medicine in general is tested and mostly on a typical brain, and so I don't think that we know all of the effects, side effects, you, you know all of the things that really occur, and especially when everybody's brain is different, how can you even do a one size fits all medication for a brain I don't even understand.
Speaker 3:So we I was actually talking about this, I was I was offered a position as a as an early childhood mental health consultant earlier this week and we were talking in the interview and we were talking about these labels and how fundamentally useless the labels are. And I have my own personal opinion, which is the labels are great for community building when people use their own labels. But, like two people with depression react differently to different medications. So how can we say that they have the same thing? They might have the same set of symptoms, but they clearly don't have the same underlying neurology.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I don't know how we get to that.
Speaker 2:Where do we get to that? Like, make that be the basis so that we can, you know, create understanding. I think that you and I are on a really good track here. Watch out, change makers. We're headed, headed your way, but no, I completely agree. We're headed, uh, headed your way, but no, I completely agree.
Speaker 2:And and I really like what you had said about the ABA, because I, you know, had no idea about anything ABA until you know our son, um, and then we did early intervention that we had ABA in our home and there were a few. We had to go through a few different therapists for me to recognize the same thing what is right with this, what does what works for us and what is going to be more successful? Well, we're talking about a kid who was reading at one and writing at two, non-speaking, until five. But between this two and five era, we can't just say what does a dog say, like he's already got a vocabulary that he's been reading for, you know, two years now into his life, and it was finally after month three of what does a dog say, and I was just like I can't do this anymore, like this how are you helping? How are we helping him? This isn't making any sense to me. I know that's like the most like obviously that's not a question that everybody does or it's just very random. But it was just kind of like a finally a light bulb in my head that I realized okay, I understand that I signed up with this company, they sent this therapist, they put this program in place, but at what point do I realize that it isn't right for my kid and I need to make some changes. And so I like how you said that, because I think that parents number one are afraid to make the changes, to stand up and speak up for themselves and for their kiddo.
Speaker 2:But after that, when I realized that maybe more of a play therapy would be better for him, and I started to really do my research on to some different therapies and then found a company that offered that, and when we started that, everything changed, everything changed. And when we started that everything changed, everything changed. He just like it was like this a light bulb inside him came on and everything started to come out, the relationship building part, which, let's be honest, for a mom to try to imagine my child not having them in his lifetime. That's not true. That's really not true, but it is a fear that we have, and so I think that understanding these kinds of therapies are really important. What really made you see that that was no longer I like how you said? You went out to the world and you saw that it wasn't being kind of applied the same way. What was there like one thing or just kind of a group of things that you were like nope, this isn't. I'm not going to do this anymore.
Speaker 3:It was really a it was. It was a slow burn until it wasn't when I started my journey. I was working in a residential home in Massachusetts and I found a critique of ABA online and I could refute every point with how we were practicing. They were like ABA tries to get rid of healthy stereotypy. And you know, I'm in this home with eight kids, all who have very high support needs. I'm like I don't care about their stereotypy as long as they're not literally injuring themselves. And our line as a company was not what's going to make them look normal, it was what's going to make them safe and that was our whole focus. So I thought, oh, this person had a bad experience with one practitioner. That's a shame, it's a good thing.
Speaker 3:The whole field isn't like this Spoiler alert. I think your example is a really good microcosmic example of how we use really arbitrary things to define development. Like we can go into you know, oh, the importance of this, what does the dog say? The verbal behavior, the back and forth we can dig into that. But also like I've worked with a lot of kids who will never speak, yeah, and to focus in on something that's so genuinely non-functional in their lives is so pointless, and yet it's the metric by which I'm going to call it out right here. It's the metric by which insurance companies determine if they're going to pay for services and for services, and ABA and behavior analysis in general has been shoehorned into this is an autism therapy.
Speaker 3:I'm using very big air quotes there because I I never I'm not going to go into the semantics of that whole nonsense, but it really it was a slow process for me as I kept coming up against. I was in like a managerial role and I had my own clients, and so I kept coming up against clinicians who were, like you know, I want to work on this kid's age appropriate leisure skills, and I'm like, what does that mean? I am a grown ass adult woman who watches anime. Like, are you going to put a behavior plan in place for me? Like I don't. I, I don't want to. I didn't want to be responsible for this clinician going out there and saying, like you know, we need to. It's it's. It's like. It's like gender norms. It's ridiculous. It's like we need to teach your son how to like sports and your daughter how to like ballet. Like, no, I'm not gonna do that. That's not. That's not. That's not functional, that's not appropriate, that's not serving them in any way, it's forcing them into this, this arbitrary box.
Speaker 3:And um, I like when I, when I moved to Pittsburgh, um, and I joined the local community, I had, uh, had people, I, I, I, I made friends and I had some people that I knew but weren't, but I, I very slowly became friends with them and a couple of them told me later, like, yeah, I was really leery of you because of what your job was. These are autistic adults who are like I did not trust you to have values aligned with my lived experience and I'm like I can't fault you for that, because I see how the field is and I'm trying to change it. And then I gave up trying to change it but I realized that in participating in it, I was just being, I was. I wasn't able to change it to any significant degree, I was just being another linchpin in the system.
Speaker 2:That's so hard isn't? It isn't it, you know? And I try to, I try to really look at it because it throughout my time on the podcast, especially in having other you know autistic neuro affirming ABA therapist come on and talk about and I know this is totally not even our topic that we're talking about today, but we got into this little rabbit hole we're in. But I've always tried to really see the big picture and recognize that things are changing. You know, the more autistic adults that are coming into the field will be able to set the pace correctly and get it, I think, onto a better, you know, journey, hopefully, in other people's eyes. And what I like to kind of remind people sometimes is things change over time. I mean, coca-cola used to put cocaine in their drinks and so we have to really recognize that. You know how many people drink Coke out there today, Millions of people. Do they think about the time when they used to put cocaine in it? Never, once, ever.
Speaker 2:I'm the only one that probably ever says it, you know, and trying to make a point that things are changing. Things are changing Once we kind of realize as a society oh, this is bad Out with that, you know kind of realize as a society no, this is bad out with that, you know, kind of then hopefully we'll, we'll see, we'll see some new things in the in the future. We can only hope, right, that that's the movement moving forward. But I really do think that since we, as just us in general, are making movements, making change, by talking about this, by putting it in people's minds, by getting the understanding to all the listeners today, that will know that their experiences, whether good or bad, if you've been in a car accident, you don't never get in a car ever after that again.
Speaker 2:Maybe sometimes you don't, but you know, for for the most part, like I've been, how many fender benders have you been in? You get in the car, you go back to work, you kind of do your thing. So hopefully that will. You know, just over time will will change. But let's get into what you're doing today so that we can celebrate and talk about that, because that is wonderful and something I'm really passionate about too, because I think that there is I'm so sorry about that. I don't normally not shut my phone off during podcasts. I think that we're finding this beautiful community of adults that are coming together that really, really want to help themselves, help their other community members, you know, help their own family members, and that sometimes needs a little bit of a nudge or a coach. If you will Tell us a little bit about what you're doing now and how you kind of shifted and made it into what you're doing, Sure.
Speaker 3:So I actually learned that coaching was a job, a thing. When I was eight, my mom left her job as a physical therapist and decided to become a coach Wow. And so when I and she was, she was very successful. She worked with. She worked with executives as the like money-making side of the business, and she worked with widows, because my father passed when I was seven. She worked with widows as like her passion, with widows as like her passion.
Speaker 3:And so when I was having this crisis, having this, you know, my master's degree is now useless. My all of my work experience doesn't mean anything anymore. What am I going to do? She said you could coach, and I said that's ridiculous. Um, and then I sat in on a course with the Coactive Training Institute and I was instantly hooked. Um, it is. Uh. So I, I've gone through, I've gone through all of their coursework. Um, I'm just waiting to finish my hours for their certification process because, as you might have already gathered, standards and ethics mean a lot to me.
Speaker 3:Anyone can call themselves a coach it's not a protected term like therapist and so it's really important for me to have a body of work and a community that I can consult to make sure that I'm engaging in best practices. As I use a metaphor uh, we love, we love. A metaphor we love. Um, a therapist is like a contractor on your house. Something breaks, they come in, they diagnose, they fix. If it's an ongoing issue, they will help you with mitigation strategies. Come in periodically. They're licensed. That's what a therapist does.
Speaker 3:What a coach does is much closer to interior design. You might be living in a perfectly functional house that's serving your needs. Look around and say I kind of hate it here. And a coach is going to come in and say, okay, what do you want it to look like? What makes it better, since moving out of your own brain isn't an option? Um, oh man, when that, when that day comes, I'll be the first to is a facilitator for what you want to do in life and how you want to change, how you want your perspectives to change. Um, a coach is not a consultant generally. Um, in my school of thought anyway, coaches do not give advice. Coaches the one of the one of the big pillars of this, this coaching school that that I got, that I went through is clients are naturally creative, resourceful and a whole. Your client does not need you to fix them. Your client needs you to listen to them. Your client needs you to be present with and to hear them, and everything follows pretty naturally from that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think when humans generally, you know, when we are heard and valued, we can easier how do I say this? We can have an easier time seeing for ourselves that idea. We have that plan and I like that. You said that it's. It's like okay, well, what do you think it should? You should do now, or you know, you're kind of giving them a gentle push along, rather than here, here's the leash, I'm going to yank it and you're going to follow this direction, so perfect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I I like you know, I've considered, I've considered going back and getting you know an LPC or an LCSW, getting that certification and becoming a therapist. But the problems inherent within ABA to some extent are also present within traditional therapy, specifically the medicalized model, the needing to kowtow to health insurance in order to get anything done. I mean, if you want I don't know if your listeners are aware of this but in order to get therapy, your therapist needs to put down and have insurance pay for it. Your therapist needs to put down a diagnostic code. They need to say this person has this set of symptoms wrong with them and then they need to write a treatment plan that they submit to insurance that says and this is how I'm going to make the problems go away and it's all nice and neat in theory and it life.
Speaker 3:I think we all can recognize that life does not work that way, Especially with mental health. Just identifying the problem does not solve the problem. Yeah, if thinking yourself healthy worked, no one would be mentally ill. Yeah, and I say this is someone who has struggled with depression Like this is it used to drive me crazy. I was like I know that I'm being irrational right now? When am I going to stop being irrational?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Somebody tell me to stop.
Speaker 3:Right, um, so yeah, I, I like being able to exist outside the medical model and say, okay, maybe maybe you do have depression, maybe you are autistic. That's not for me to decide, that's not for me to label. I'm going to work with you as you are and if you decide you know this problem is untenable and I do need medication for it, I will support you in seeking out that help, in that medication, therapy and coaching are not mutually exclusive by any means. I'd say at least 50% of my clients also have therapists. Um, we just we do different things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I love that you're working with a near diverse community and, um, one of your things said relationship coaching. Is that, is that right? Yeah, what in your um, what do you think is maybe like the top three, even one top thing that you need to do in in a relationship to really to try to make it work? I have my one thing. Well, I want to know what yours is.
Speaker 3:It would be so easy for me to just say communication, bam. But communication has so many steps to it. Yeah, that I would. I would honestly highlight the pre-communication step of self-reflection, because in order to communicate something, you need to know what it is you want to communicate.
Speaker 3:Um, and a lot of people struggle with self-reflection, with identifying what they want, and if you don't know what you want, you then can't advocate for what you want. Um, I, I work with a lot of clients who are, you know, in alternative relationship structures like polyamory and whatnot, and um, and it's difficult because we have this cultural roadmap for, uh, straight monogamous relationships, say, this is how things are supposed to fall out, based on the duration of the relationship, based on gender roles, et cetera, et cetera, and the map is almost worse than useless because it doesn't apply to most people. That's not the right path for them. I would argue, um, and that might be my bias speaking, but you know, we're all, we're all speaking through a lens of bias. Yes, um, but the um, something that I, I, I took a class in college, I think, called just the family, and we learned about the communication patterns between LGBTQ plus couples versus straight couples, because they didn't have these gender roles to fall back on.
Speaker 3:You can't just assume you know, I'm the woman, so I'll do the dishes, you're the man, so you'll mow the lawn. Like you have to actually talk about these things and so many people are told from birth this is what you want, according to society, that they haven't actually examined themselves to determine oh, do I actually want that or did I do? I want acceptance and approval because we all do. There's nothing bad with wanting acceptance and approval. The problem is oftentimes in our society. It's conditional on following the scripts, and especially for neurodivergent people, those scripts can be hard to impossible to actually get right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, isn't that the truth. My husband always says if you try to be someone you're not, you'll never succeed. You'll never succeed at trying to be someone you're not, you'll always just have to be yourself. And you can be successful at being yourself. And I love that, because how many times do we get into, you know, relationships and we maybe act as the other person? What we think that they would like us to act like or what we, you know, might take as their values and interpret them in our own lives and it might not actually resonate with our own core values. I love that you said self-reflection, because knowing what you want, it's interesting. You said that, too, because I was married. I'm on my second marriage.
Speaker 2:My first marriage was definitely a marriage of learning what I did not want. The old learning what you don't want, card, you know, check, check, check, check, check. But without that definitely could have continued all of those same patterns for as long as they would have allowed themselves to play out, um. So I think that that having that time of self-reflection and each of us are so different on our paths, um, the way we pursue relationships with you know, with others, I grew up as an only child.
Speaker 2:I was felt very lonely a lot and so I wanted to make relationships. I craved and, like, yearned for them, not really knowing that that the self person was the person I needed to really be comfortable with being alone with myself the whole time. And it wasn't until I was in a really healthy, wonderful relationship that I'm in now my marriage that I can recognize that and can say I am such a good person on my own I could do this on my own. I'd never want to, but I could. You know, now I'm like I see that value. I can't imagine not being in my twenties somewhere trying to figure that out. Really glad I'm where I'm at, knowing you know what I know now. But oh, if we could only know what we know now back then.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, the it's. I'm just, it's so interesting. This is sort of just formulating, as you were talking that, that there's this self-acceptance and there's the external acceptance, and I think a lot of people like to pretend that it's one or the other. Like you either need external validation or you need internal validation and you're one kind of person or the other, or one is more valuable. We are such social creatures that really, it does come down to how you feel about yourself, is going to be, is going to reflect how the people around you feel about you, and as a child, that's a terrifying thought because you're not in control of who's around you and that's that's. It's such a learning process as an adult to be like how do these people make me feel about myself? Not just how, how do I feel about these people Of?
Speaker 2:course, you know, what value do they bring? Will they bring? Do they have value? Do I find value with myself when I'm with them? There's so many questions to ask and to have kind of yeah, and as a parent I mean I feel like that's kind of my role in helping, at least you know, one of my children to develop those skills and understand and I can really see the intentions that they have in relationship building and it really makes me so proud and happy to know that like we're showing her the right steps to take for her own internal, you know relationship kind of. And you, there's always kind of come. You have to go through some drama and some you know loss and things like that to kind of learn and get the experience. You can't not have those things or protect them for those things, but I think it's just really beautiful to see like her own ideas and her own skill sets that are forming that. I'm like this is really going to be a healthy woman, really healthy woman someday.
Speaker 2:Right, self-love, confidence, like I remember being little and, just like you said, you're scared, you don't know, you can't control the people around you and I was always less valued than I known that I am now. You know, like I always was told I was less valued then and so that was one of the things very first off, when, when she was really little, was I'm going to tell this person you love yourself more than anyone else in the world. I, you know. Grandma says, oh, you love me more than you know. No, I love me, I love me, I love me, I love me, I love me. I'm not trying to make a monster, but at the same time I think that that it's okay, like having your own mom tell you like it's okay to love you more than me.
Speaker 2:You just always do it. You give yourself that like I'll back you up, I'll give you all that second dish of love that you need, but you give it to yourself first. And I can't know what that's like, because that never happened for me. I can only see kind of the seed that's, you know, growing and just being like so great. I love the way this is going so well. You know I'll get back to you in 10 or 15 years and let you know exactly how it's worked out. But no, I am just, I'm so excited to have this opportunity to try to help another human, you know, find their own role in their life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just um. I I decided a while ago that I wasn't going to have kids, but my partner's wife just gave birth to twins and they are now, my God, children. And I cannot. There are not words to express how much I love these children. There are not words to express how much I love these children and like they have been, and this, the community that she has built around herself, that is coming together now around these kids, like these kids are going to have.
Speaker 2:Well, they're going to have a weird childhood for one, but independently of that Right, it's only from a father's perspective of that right.
Speaker 3:It's only from another's perspective. They're going to be so they already are, from the moment we learned that they were in existence, so loved. And I think that's one of those like inner child healing moments where you, you think about this, this new life, and you think like, yes, I, I love this, this tiny, tiny human, this, this being separate from myself, and I deserve that same love too because, just purely, purely on the grounds of I am also a human.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's. It's amazing what can occur when we put our intentions into love. We, you know love, when we, you know, have those intentions set, not only, you know, do, can we reflect it into our community. But then we start seeing it I'm going to get out of my show we start seeing it being reflected back on us. Wow, that's an amazing feeling, you know, to go out in the community.
Speaker 2:Um, I was just at the grocery store earlier and there is just a wonderful bagger with Down syndrome. I love him more than anything. I even wrote a book about Down syndrome and I give him the copies and he takes it to the elementary school and reads it to the kids because it's a child, a children's book, and it's just so special. And every day, you know, I'll go. I've been going there for a decade or more and every day, whenever I see him, I mean it doesn't matter how far across the store just here, sarah, you know and I look and there he is and he's waving off my heart and everybody else around me.
Speaker 2:I sometimes I'll notice, you know, other people's reactions and things and and I just think, oh, I bet you wish you had somebody who loved you so much, or you know that lady's crazy. Look at this weird lady. Give it hugs to everybody in the grocery store, whatever. Um, when that light that you give out is reflected back on you, it's just the most warm, wonderful feeling. So practice, practice, practice, that is for sure. So what?
Speaker 3:any plans in the future, any things you're working on or stuff like that Right now I'm I'm working on growing my business and it's um, I don't know if anyone out there knew this, but, uh, solo business ventures are really hard because you have to be a Jack of all trades and I'm terrible at promoting myself. Um, and that's like 90% of the work. Like I coach maybe a couple of hours a day and most of it is, you know, posting and writing and trying to trying to connect with the people that I want to serve. Um, and what I, um, what I, what I'm really hoping to do at some point is to write a. I want to write a book.
Speaker 3:I have like three separate at least three separate topics that are sort of germinating in my head, but I think 2025 might be the year that I actually sit down and like actually pound them out of the paper. Um, I am, yeah, I'm, I'm just I'm in such a such a spot of infinite potential right now. That is both really exuberating and totally terrifying. I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, let alone in the next year or so I, yeah, I'm always I'm. What I'm looking forward to the most, I think, actually is more self-education. I learned about a new therapy framework a couple of days ago that I want to dive into and explore. I met a cool new person that I want to get to know. Just like learn, I'm a sponge. I love to learn.
Speaker 2:I love it too. I couldn't agree more. That's what you know. This'll be the 301st episode of the podcast, so, yeah, we made it into the 300th. That is so many conversations and so much learning to be had that I've had the opportunity and honor to you know, be able to have all these amazing people. Where can people find you? Is there a website or social media, things like that, where we can go and connect with you?
Speaker 3:Sure, On Instagram I am allforlovecoaching Sure. On Instagram I am all for love coaching. It's A-L-L-F-O-R-L-O-V-E-C-O-A-C-H-I-N-G. I really should have made it shorter, I'm sorry, and that's also. That's also my website. All for love coachingcom. And is that is that it? I think I'm technically on blue sky, but like that's not. I haven't gotten there yet. I need to check that out. That's just for for pictures of my cats, and like that's not, that's not a business thing. You, you can find me on there, but like good luck actually actually connecting on. Oh, my Esmeralda did this cute thing.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's great. Oh my gosh. Well, it's been so nice to get to know you and have you here today as a guest. I'm so grateful to um for the work you're doing and um just really, just really giving people out there space and a heartfelt space of value, and just you know, when people feel seen, they can do incredible things, and I think that it takes a special person to see people and help them see themselves like that. So thank you for the beautiful work you're doing in the community. I love that and it's been such a pleasure to get to know you. I hope we can do this more often. I really like I want to talk to you on a weekly basis, I think.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. This has been delightful I know so much fun.
Speaker 2:And if anything changes and you, you know, decide to go another direction anywhere in the future, get back to me and we will have you back on to discover that.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much.
Speaker 2:It's been such a nice chat and I look forward to staying in touch.
Speaker 4:Absolutely made an anthem for all. Through the trials and trials, she answers the call. Her mother and her fighter, breaking barriers and strife with love as her guide. She'll never hide. She's changing the world for you with the heart and speech and strong empathy's a melody in the journey we all belong. Thank you.
